[seven] has finally arrived, so I was able to cut the render times significantly. The image in my original post took over 12 hours to render at a 640x480 resolution, but now I used "Backdrop only" and Overcaster Ambient to experience render times just over 2 hours! (well, the new Athlon 1.4 may have helped also ;-)   Contact Philip Meyer "philip meyer - liquid.arts" <philip@liquid-arts.de> http://www.liquid-arts.de/