Just wanted to send ya an image i did with Overcaster. I was doing test renders of this image at 640x512 with no AA and they were taking under 5 sec (I used OC_spot w/ 9 lights, shadowmapped and OC_shadow, shadow mapped) The final image i did was 1280x1024 and it took around 15 minutes. Helluva lot better than radiosity. Contact: Chris Moschella meaty@planetquake.com